Britain's National Theater director takes a final bow
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Britain's National Theater director takes a final bow
In a photo provided by Johan Persson shows, Leemore Marrett Jr. in “Small Island,” directed by Rufus Norris, in 2019. As Norris prepares to leave the London playhouse he has led since 2015, he reflects on his quest to make the theater represent the audience it serves. (Johan Persson via The New York Times)

by Alex Marshall



LONDON.- When Rufus Norris became the director of the National Theater in 2015, he said he had one main aim: to make the playhouse representative of Britain.

Almost a decade later and as Norris prepares to leave the role, he said he had made progress toward that goal, especially by prioritizing new works. Many of the theater’s most acclaimed recent productions have centered people of color, including an adaptation of Andrea Levy’s “Small Island,” directed by Norris, about Caribbean immigrants to Britain.

On Tuesday, Norris, 59, unveiled a typically diverse final season, including “Inter Alia,” Suzie Miller’s follow-up to her hit legal play “Prima Facie”; Shaan Sahota’s “The Estate,” about a British Asian politician’s downfall; and a revival of Michael Abbensetts’ “Alterations,” about immigrants struggling to establish a tailoring business in 1970s London.

Norris will be hoping some of those shows transfer to Broadway, following National Theater hits including “The Lehman Trilogy” and “War Horse.”

In a recent interview, Norris said the demands of the job had meant he hadn’t found time to reflect on his leadership. But an hourlong exchange gave Norris the opportunity to discuss his work at the National, the playhouse’s changing relationship with New York and his plans to step away from the theater world — at least for a while. The conversation has been edited for length and clarity.

Q: British critics say you’ll be remembered for improving diversity at the National, something you achieved by setting targets. Where did that drive come from?

A: On a personal level, I grew up in Africa and Asia. My dad was a university lecturer who worked on those continents. I didn’t grow up in a village in England somewhere where everybody looked the same.

And it’s called “the National.” It has been a frustration for generations that our theater culture has not reflected the country, and particularly London. I have a very deep-rooted belief that broadening the stories told just makes the arts richer.

Half the country are women, why aren’t half the writers? It’s not a question of a lack of talent. So in a way, taking the job was an opportunity to build on what went before and really turn the dial up.

Q: What challenges did you face implementing the targets?

A: In a position like this, you’re always going to get criticism. Institutions are there to lead, but also to throw stones at. And there was criticism from some quarters, people saying, “You should just let the best artists put their best work on. It’s not your responsibility to look further than that.” And then from the other side: “Why aren’t you doing more?”

Now, diversity’s just part of the conversation, and that conversation needed to and has become much more sophisticated. It’s not just about heritage and gender, it’s also about disability or about class.

Q: During your time at the National, Britain has been deeply divided over issues like Brexit as well as widespread protests over the war in the Gaza Strip and in support of Black Lives Matter. What is the role of the National Theater in that environment?

A: Well, when Laurence Olivier (who led the theater from its founding in 1962) was asked what the National was for, he said, “To make the audience applaud.” And that remains true. We’re here first and foremost for our audience, but hopefully there’s been a bit more scrutiny of why the audience is applauding and who that audience are.

Over the last 20 years in Britain, we’ve seen a complete denigration of the arts in our school system so I think that cultural institutions like the National now have a huge role to play in upholding that role for the health of our society, and making sure that the dialogue is complex and sophisticated, that people are constantly invited to stand in the shoes of others and see things from a different perspective.

Q: After originating at the National, “The Lehman Trilogy” became a Broadway hit, but many of your shows have been very British tales, like “Dear England,” about soccer. Did you think about Broadway transfers?

A: I thought you were going to say that we’re too American. I mean, if you look at 2017’s production of “Angels in America,” or Bryan Cranston in “Network,” or “The Lehman Trilogy,” they’re all American stories.

It’s great that we’ve managed to maintain a presence on Broadway. But we’ve also had a huge presence in New York with shows at The Shed, Park Avenue Armory, St. Ann’s Warehouse and Playwrights Horizons.

The important thing is that we’re contributing to the culture there, in a way that’s deep and profound. We’re not just taking a show there to try and make money or fundraise.

So, with our new-work department, we’re constantly having American playwrights here, and it’s the same idea with our education work in America. Our NT Collection program, where schools can stream productions for free, now goes into 200 New York middle and high schools and we want another 100 per year over the next three years. We’re lucky we have the ability to capture our work in a way that a lot of American theaters can’t because of union rules.

Q: What’s your advice to Indhu Rubasingham, your successor?

A: Keep healthy.

Q: Have you had problems on that front?

A: No, not significantly. A long battle with smoking, which I finally got over. But I don’t sleep well. And there have been periods when I’ve been quite burned out. This is such a big job, you’ve got to be engaged at 8:30 in the morning through to 11:30 at night, when you’re in here with a director after seeing a preview which needs radical work. And every day stuff comes out that you’re not expecting.

Q: What will you do next? Nicholas Hytner, your predecessor at the National, went on to set up the Bridge, another theater alongside the River Thames. Will you do something like that?

A: No, I’m going to have a year where I step away. I have been for a long time a chronic workaholic — and it’s been exacerbated by this job — so I need to get a grip on myself. I’m going to get into nature for a bit and I will be doing up a cottage in Fife, Scotland, and getting in the sea.

Q: Will you be getting the props department to help you?

A: Well, actually, I worked in the building trade before I went into theater. But I am going to spend a little bit of time with our carpentry department before I leave, to hone up my skills.

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.










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